The Interview :: Six

But what people don't know here in America, and the press won't report it, is little people -- I can tell you of a man in Galveston, Texas, who retired at the age of 70, he and his wife? And the, and the had saved all their money on a little lot, little postage stamp lot really, and they were told they could never build on their lot. Because it was wetlands. Didn't matter that it was miles from the beach. [laughter] And we're talking about

[Dang! What might he have said? What could it be? Damn the temporal limitations of cassette tapes!]

to bring it back to its natural state.

Yeah, this man said, "I came, I emigrated to the United States from Hungary, where I was under domination. I will not let the government take away my right, my freedom." My wife -- he was a factory worker, saved all our lives. He, he had bought the lot, put a little house there, small, modest house for some forty thousand dollars. Well, that house is no longer there any more, Hugh, because that man was arrested and he was tried as an eco- criminal. And he was convicted. And then the bulldozers came and took the house down. And that man was convicted and given a prison sentence.

So, this is happening in America. No one will speak for these people. No one cares. And I ask the people that read the loop: do you care?

So what can we do? I mean, not just about smaller issues like that, although I don't wish to trivialize--

He's a little man.

--this man's prison sentence. But in a larger sense, with this global elite and their emerging plan to take control of us.

Well you see, I believe many, many good people are on the side of environmentalism. But they don't realize they're being used. Many people say the United Nations is a very good thing. We want world peace. They don't realize they're being used.

And so, you know, I've been born again in all of these areas when I understood the agenda. I believe what we can do is to educate ourself. And, and believe me, the founders probably of Canada, I know of the United States, tried to establish a system which would tie the politicians in knots. And would limit the power of money. For example, in the United States we did not have a national bank. The elite wanted one. It was disapproved by the people. The elite did not want to put the rights of the people in the constitution. And that's why we have our Bill of Rights. And note, Hugh, those Bill of Rights were not part of the original constitution. They're the first ten amendments. Why wasn't it in the original constitution? The elite didn't want it.

But the little people rose up. They educated themselves. I believe of the seventeenth, of the late seventeen hundreds were much more educated and public-minded than the people of Canada and the United States today. And so today we really are on some kind of a mind drug. I think it's the media, it's television, it's the radio, it's the magazines. There has sprung up hope, a system of alternative news, throughout Canada and the United States. And this system -- the Internet is part of it. But shortwave radio is another thing. And then there's the thousands of the small newsletters and magazines.

And I, I make an appeal to the liberals -- yes, I'm making an appeal to the left. Do not trust Mr. Chretien, do not trust Mr. Clinton, because they say, "We're left." Don't believe these jerks. They are evil men. They're ungodly men. And they do not, they do not believe in the average Canadian and his or her rights. Do not believe in these people. Do not believe in the government. So I, I appeal to people to educate yourself. You know, imagine: if I say there is a conspiracy in the world, Hugh, what harm does that do?

Probably not much.

Not much. It causes some people to call me crazy and zany and kook. Okay. Now, if that's all it should, the very most, I am just sort of an eccentric kook, okay? To many people. Why then, is such horrible emotion, hatred and venom spewed out at the so- called conspiratorial-minded people? They hate us. Right now they accuse us of hate crimes. They accuse us of the most vile things. How can what I put in print, unless if there's a call to action to harm people, how can it hurt anybody? If I say Chretien is controlled by super-rich elite, what is the harm of that, especially if I document it? Why would Canada call that a hate crime?

I ask the people of Canada: educate yourself. Why did Chretien suddenly change his mind about the WTO and NAFTA and so forth? Who twisted his arm? Why is he so dead-set on going along with the World Trade Organization and globalism? Who benefits? Always ask who benefits. That's the key. But I really, you know, I'm not one, I must say -- there's a lot of people in America right now, I think it's growing, you know, people are ready to fight these people with arms if necessary. At least from a defensive standpoint. Well, I -- there may be a place for that somewhere, but I'm not, I haven't been called to do that. I've only been called to educate.

People must, they must educate. I go back to the Bible. It says without knowledge, God's people perish. And I would, I think that's what Jefferson and Madison, all the others said. Same thing. To educate the people. But I call on the people of Canada to, to educate themselves, to know. You know, Peter Warren can say, "Texe Marrs is a kook." Texe Marrs responds, "Don't listen to the Peter Warrens on radio. Get my book. And read it." You say, "Well, you're just trying to make money." Go to your library. Ask your library to order a copy so that ten thousand people can read it. I mean, one book in your library, how much does Texe Marrs make? Fifty cents on a royalty? Is it going to make me rich to have it in the Vancouver Public Library?

Probably --

You know what I'm saying?

Probably not.

Yeah, I -- [laughter] That's not my purpose. But read my book and then say if Peter Warren -- is he wrong or is Texe Marrs? My books are documented. You know the criticisms I get, Hugh?

What's that?

They're people who have never read my books! They listen to the media, who say if you believe in a conspiracy you're a kook. And so they never read for themselves. They're dumbed down. And they don't read, they don't understand. They don't know. And I want to say one final thing: Once people know and discover this for themselves, whether they're left-wing or right-wing, it changes them.

Everything follows after that.

Everything follows. Sir Winston Churchill once said, he said at one time in a man's life, at one time or another, the truth hits him. That's interesting that, you know, Winston Churchill believed in a global conspiracy, by the way, of the elite, and he wrote about it. But he said, it literally knocks most men down when they come face to face with the truth. But most men get up, brush themselves off and go about their business as if nothing happened. But the men who don't -- it changes them. And then they know. And you know, I don't think that I'm a nut. You know what I think I am?

What's that?

To use a New Age term, I'm more aware. Now, I don't accept what I read in the newspapers. I say, "Is this true? I will find out the facts for myself." And if everybody did that in Canada, I think that your freedoms could possibly be preserved.

Okay. Mr. Marrs, I've taken up a great deal of your time. I just have one last question, and it's sort of a little different from what we've been talking about. If I was to come down and visit you in Austin, Texas, where would you take me? What do you like about living in Austin and what would you show me? The ministry, obviously, but what else is there that you would recommend in Austin, Texas to a visitor?

I would take you and just show you the beautiful hill country here.

Really?

Yeah. It is so, it is so -- it's a lot like Vancouver. When I drove into Vancouver, it was so beautiful. And I remember going out at night and driving back and I looked down and I could see the city, if I can remember, all the lights, and everything there--

Yes.

Is that right?

Yeah. I've done that a couple times myself and it is gorgeous.

It is gorgeous. And, but it's very hilly here, beautiful, huge oak trees. It's just, it's just absolutely beautiful. And there's lakes all over the place, water. Green and clean, by the way. [laughter] And I don't mind being restricted, as long as you don't take a man's land from him. I don't want garbage to be thrown into those lakes, they're too beautiful. So, yeah, that's what I would do. I would show you the beautiful nature of Austin, Texas. It is absolutely gorgeous.

And we have, you know, our downtown. We have the state capitol building. It's the largest state capitol in the United States. Built by Masons, of course. [laughter] And of, it is, there's a big Masonic, you know, plaque sort of thing, you know. And many of the Canadian things, too, are that way. Buildings, different buildings.

In any case, it's just -- the nature of this place is absolutely beautiful. Most people think that Texas is all prairie and cactus and tumbleweed. But we don't have any of that stuff. Well, we do have cacti. But you'll see cacti right in an oak tree forest. It's really strange, yeah, beautiful. Anyway that's what I'd show him.

Okay. Well, thank you again for your time. It's been a very, a very fascinating interview, and I've taken up a great deal more time than the half hour that was originally allotted. Now, one thing I wanted to ask. I'll be mentioning the website in the article.

Sure.

But your personal assistant had also asked if we could mention an 800 number that you had, and I was quite willing to do that.

They may not do that. You know, some of these magazines won't let you do that. But I would love for you to do that. You might let people know that again, judge for themselves. They can call that 1-800 number and get our newsletter. And you get our newsletter, Hugh?

I do indeed. But I don't have the 800 number right by me.

Okay, I'll give that to you. And I want to mention to you, as you know, we have tapes and books in there. But -- you will attest to this, I'm sure -- I have never called you, no one has ever called you and said, "Buy this," or -- I have never sent a fund-raising thing.

Absolutely.

In all the years we've been here, no one's ever got that. We offer those things. I hope that people will order them, because, you know, we need to keep going. But we're going to send the newsletter anyway, and no one will ever call. I, and what I do is if people don't order anything after about a year or so, I'll put a little letter in there saying, you know, if you don't order anything, we're going to have to cut you. That's about all I do. Because we try to be good stewards. You know, we've given it a year to you, and please send us fifty cents, to keep you going a year, another year.

But in any case, it's absolutely free, we don't have any fundraising, no telemarketing, nobody will call. You don't have to worry about that. Our 1-800 number is 1-800 -- Oh wait, I'm sorry, it won't work in Canada.

Oh, will it not?

No, I, you know, we need to change that. We're destroying our good Canadian friends! You know, I've been thinking about -- I'm glad that came up. That's been in the back of my mind for a long time to get the phone company to change that. But right now, yeah, we don't. Folks can write us at our address.

Okay, yeah, we've got the address, and we'll probably put that in, but we'll certainly put in the website. I think most of the readers of the loop in the last survey had web browsers and computers and whatnot.

They do that. In there they can click and order automatically our newsletter. So, and our newsletter every month is posted there as well. Sometimes, I must admit, we're a couple weeks late, you know. I have to get my guy to go in there and design it, put it on the web, unfortunately. But anyway, it eventually gets into the, and they can access all my, at least eighteen months we've been on, all of those newsletters.

Okay. Well, thank you once again for your time. It's been a pleasure talking to you.

Same here. And God bless you, Hugh.