The Interview :: Three

One thing I wanted to ask you, as well, about that: obviously if the New World Order is coming in, and if people are being conditioned to be more docile, obviously getting at children is going to be a very important aspect of that plan. I'm just wondering if you've heard about something Mattel is marketing these days, I believe in time for Christmas, although I'll have to check up on this. It's something called Moon Goddess Barbie. Now, apparently it's Barbie with a pointed hat, a sort of wizard's hat, various moons and stars around it, and carrying a wand. Now, I've been told that it's available in a limited edition, something like $200 or something ridiculous like that. But do you think that might be part of the conditioning that we can, unfortunately, look forward to?

Yeah, but you know, one of the things here, again I want to be careful. One of the things, Hugh, is when you start a snowball thing, you know, it sort of goes out. I mean, in other words, I have written things that I know are unique. And two years later, you know, it goes from one person to another, one organization, one newsletter, etcetera, to another. And it comes back, sometimes in the same form, almost my words. But the person that writes it in some article somewhere doesn't even know me. It's not plagiarism, it's just how the things happen.

So, there's no doubt, I think, that these men I talked about are occultist. And they certainly have, they have given great sums of money to occult New Age organisations. Now, that then, they have started then, let's just call it fads -- occult fads. Pagan fads. And then things spiral out and have their own lives. So that, let's face it, you turn on a tv now and everything you see are wizards and demons and devils. The X-Files Syndrome, I call it, you know? UFOs, strange creatures.

So, it's not necessarily that there's some member of the Illuminati that tells Mattel Toy Company, "I want you to do this." They know that there's a market out there for these kinds of things. I go around to, my wife and I will be shopping, and we actually will go to a shop that's owned by Christians. And you'll find little bitty figurines of wizards and sorcerers. And I ask them, "What is this?" They say, "I know, it's terrible, but you know, that's what people are buying." And I say, "Do you even know what it means, what these things mean?" "No, I don't know." But of course, many teenager do, because they play all these games, you know: Dungeons and Dragons, and worse today. They know. Many do. And many witchcraft people and such know.

But, so I don't give a lot of slack to people, and don't accuse them, everything of being a plot. But I do believe that there has generally been -- you know, you just set the ball in motion, and that ball will roll a long distance. But there is no doubt -- you know, let me give you one example.

One of the things that the elite want to do is to bring forth a world religious system of unity. Now, you may say, "Oh, that will never happen. I mean, religions have always fought." It will happen. They're not concerned that a Muslim become a Baptist, okay? Or you know, an Episcopal or a Church of Canada person become a Buddhist. What they -- they are looking for something they call tolerance. They're looking for everyone to say, "You have your religion, I have mine. Let's get along. Let's not claim exclusivity. Let's not claim that my religion is better than yours. Let's not say that my god is better or different than yours. Let's not say that my set of scriptures is superior. That would be hate. That be intolerant. That would be unloving. Let us all have..." -- and listen to this word, this term -- "...unity in diversity."

And of course, everything the Bible says is totally opposite that. You know, God said in the ten commandments, "Thou shalt have no other god before me."

Right. There's not a whole lot of room in the Bible for diversity.

There's no diversity. There's a lot of people that reject the Bible, but that's okay. The Bible says that will happen too. But you certainly can't say that Jesus said, "Go out and worship all the false gods. And really, don't say that your father in heaven is superior to them. That would make people feel bad. And that would be very hateful." And so, this is the current theology.

Now, there's a reason for this, of course. Remember religion, remember Mao Tse-Tung said, supposedly -- of course, sometimes you wonder how much of anything is real...and so much is manufactured by the CIA and so forth -- but he was quoted supposedly saying, "Religion is the opiate of the people." Well, I believe false religion can be like an opiate. And it can be used to control. I even think that there are Christian churches that have gone the wrong way and are abusive of people, and controlling. So certainly there's all kinds of cult groups and such.

If this be so, then religion, you know, could be, become the opiate of the people, and you want to try to drug the masses, what would you use? Well, religion. And so if you have an out-of-control world that you want to conform to a New World Order image and have a docile people, one way to do that is to establish a religious system.

And so it was that in 1992 they had some -- 1993, excuse me -- in Chicago they had a strange convention. Some 7,000. It was called the Parliament of the World's Religions. I researched very heavily and I found -- through public documents, I might add -- I found the foundations that were sponsoring this were all Rockefeller-funded. It was held -- some of the meetings were held at the University of Chicago campus, which is heavily Rockefeller-funded. And of course, the Rockefellers are known to be members of other, globalist organisations: the Trilateral Commission -- in fact, almost the masters of the Trilateral Commission -- the Council on Foreign Relations, etcetera.

Here for some reason, these monied men wanted to have a Parliament of the World's religions. There were witches, Jains, Muslims, Buddhists, Christian -- every stripe imaginable was there. And the theme was, we need what they call a global ethic, and unity and diversity. And we need - - listen to this -- a United Religions, just as we have a United Nations. We have a World Trade Organization. We need a United Religions. And coming out of that was Rockefeller funding for a United Religions. And there is a Bishop William Swing in San Francisco now setting that up. And they say that as the year 2000 dawns there will be a United Religions. The headquarters will be the Presidio, a former army base, at San Francisco. Again, these are all documented facts.

And that's where Mikhail Gorbachev has his foundation, isn't it?

That's right. Now, Mikhail Gorbachev invited the men -- Bishop William Swing of the Episcopal Church of the U.S.A. -- to his State of the World Forum and from that, the spirituality -- Mikhail Gorbachev himself said we need a global spirituality that honours the sacred earth. So now we have the theology. Whatever stripe or religion you are, the main theme of the Illuminati, the elite, that you will have is, our sacred mother earth, how to protect here.

Then you see, now we go a little step further. So we have this setting up of religion. How does this get into earth? We suddenly have the environmental organisations. Then you go some steps further, then you do research, and you find out that the environmental organisations -- the footsoldiers. Some conservatives like to call them the great unwashed. They're the hippies of the 60s and 70s. Now they have the cause of saving the earth. All right? All right.

Now, there they are at Kyoto, Japan, Hugh, and they got us all -- I mean, these are the -- I call them, talk about the fear mongering. We've never seen anything like fear mongering, like fear mongering from these people. I mean, nothing that I can say about Jesus coming again and Armageddon could compare to the fear mongering of the Sierra Club, Earth First! and all the other environmental wackoes. They are Chicken Little, the original Chicken Little, saying, "Everything is falling down! Mankind is going to die! We need to have global depopulation! Mankind is like a virus! We need to remove man!" It would be best, some are saying, it would be good to have Ebola-type viruses to kill off man so that nature could flourish. I mean, these are insane. Hitler said things like this. And today, environmentalists say it and everybody claps their hands! It's amazing!

So religion is being used as a stepping stone -- A unity of religions being used as a stepping stone --

The theme is environmentalism of religion. Now, here's the whole thing, though: you find that the environmental organisations themselves are all funded by the elite. I mean, the Sierra Club, Greenpeace, Earth First! -- You go behind the scenes, especially of The Nature Conservancy -- You go behind the scenes, and you find -- Goodness, oh -- so they receive so many millions and millions and millions from this foundation and that foundation and this foundation. Again, we traced the money of those foundations, and it all goes back to the same men who founded the Council on Foreign Relations, the United Nations, the Trilateral Commissions, the Parliament of the World's Religions.

Now, I don't think -- I think it's really humourous -- I could actually give you from public documents a list of the money, of the actual monies given to, let's say, The Nature Conservancy. And can you imagine these environmentalists going around talking about the big bad oil companies, when it's the big bad oil companies that are giving them all the money to do it? You know, Exxon is so bad, their Valdez polluted things. Well, golly, I didn't know that Exxon gave, you know, $26 million to The Nature Conservancy. Oh, my. So, in any case, and then you, of course, you realize that Standard Oil company, which was broken up in 1911, was the monopoly of the Rockefellers, and that's spun off Exxon, you know, and all the other various oil companies, which through trust and interlocking directorates are still controlled by the same people.

So basically, whatever -- and this is why, when they have NAFTA -- the little environmentalists, the person that recycles, and wants to really do something to stop pollution -- I mean, good people -- we all should be environmentalists. They said, we cannot have NAFTA because we will have to export all of the horrible pollution and everything from Mexico, because they don't have the standards. Then the little bitty environmentalists didn't understand why all the huge environmental organisational leadership suddenly came out and said, "yes, we're all for NAFTA." Al Gore: "We're for NAFTA." Your prime minister, Jean Chretien, his campaign said, "I will oppose NAFTA and the World Trade Organization." The day after he was elected, goodness, what did he have, some kind of religious experience? And the next day -- I don't think it was a week that went by. Suddenly he changed his mind. So this is what happens, he said that for public consumption and then zingo! There he is, your prime minister, he's doing -- Jean Chretien will do anything the big boys, the Maurice Strongs and all the others tell him to do. The guy's a puppet, let's face it.

Something else I wanted to ask you about as well, a bit of a local thing, at least for me. Your September issue of Flashpoint -- I was quite surprised that there was a picture from the West Ender, another free weekly magazine. I'm just surprised that this would have, would have gained your attention. There was a picture of Dr. Hedy Fry celebrating her victory in the election to the parliament. And there was a picture from the West Ender of her sharing a drink with Ruby Stone, the drag queen and transvestite. Now, I was just surprised that something in a small local paper would have gotten to your attention like that.

Well, again, we have a lot of Canadian people that send us material, and I love hearing from Canada. And so, I saw this in a newspaper, and I said, "Well, how interesting." And I wasn't trying to single this person out, because here in America, I mean, Al Gore just went to a big meeting of Hollywood homosexuals, complimented them. And Clinton, here in the United States, I mean, I've talked to people from Arkansas that said he frequented the gay bars regularly as President. And many claim he's bisexual.

Oh, really!

Oh yes. So, and of course Hilary. Goodness gracious, what can I say about her exploits? Let's just call it that, leave it at that.

Okay.