The Interview :: Two

Now, that's an interesting contrast: you write longhand, and yet you make such use of shortwave radio, of the internet especially. How did you get into having your own website? How long ago was that?

Well, actually, Hugh, I began in, let's see, I guess in 1982. I retired from the U.S. Air force. And for about four years, five years, I wrote just secular books. I call them secular versus Christian. Sometimes they blend together, but...I wrote mainly high technology books.

I found a couple of those in my library, actually.

I did those for sort of the lay audience, to explain how technology...I probably wrote about twelve books or so for large New York publishers. You know, Simon and Schuster, Prentice- Hall, and so forth. And then in 1986, going into 1987 -- again, I don't remember the exact date, I'm not one of those date people -- my wife Wanda and I just totally rededicated our life back to Christ, and that made all the difference to us.

You know, I was dead set on a career. I'd opened up a company, a high-tech consulting company called Tech, as in Technology, Trends. Austin, Texas is really one of the high tech centres for the United States. We have IBM, Dell Computers -- its headquarters are here. IBM makes its personal computers and does all the research here, Motorola, so...I was really centred in a tremendous place for that, and had many, many contacts. But we just felt led by the Lord to establish a Christian ministry and publishing company, and that's what we did. And so I just quit writing those high-tech books and wrote Christian books, prophetic books, and God really blessed that. I guess I've had about three books that were number one bestsellers on the Christian bestseller list.

And so things have sort of spiralled. We founded our ministry and then we started a newsletter. And I decided just to offer it free to people, and to give a free subscription. If people wanted to order things they could, but we give them six months or a year. Actually, we keep people more than a year, quite often, whether they ever give us a cent. But we gave out a free newsletter, and then that spiralled into other things.

We began tapes. People kept saying we should talk about this, investigate this. We began doing what I call the Intelligence Examiner. And then so many people said, "Can you get on radio?" So we started this weekly program, World of Prophecy. That's on four or five shortwave radio transmitters. And then of course its on a small number, very small, AM and FM stations, satellite, Internet -- Real Audio, they call it -- things like that.

But the website, really, we just founded that about -- again, my dates are bad -- but I'd say about eighteen months ago. And we really haven't -- I just was talking in-house here. It seems like we really didn't do anything to promote it, you know, we haven't really pushed, gone to the search engines and done all those things like we should have, but in house we've already got such tremendous response. In fact, it's almost beyond my imagination, you know, all the messages that we get here. We just can't handle them all on the email. But we want to go deeper into that, because we're reaching people from all over the world on that. So we're going to continue to do that, and expand that kind of ministry.

Couple things I wanted to ask you about. For a start, I'm not sure that a lot of the people that read The Loop will necessarily be familiar with a lot of the politics that are contained in the Flashpoint newsletter, and especially the New World Order, the sort of coming dictatorship. I wonder if you could just give a quick sort of definition for people that may not have heard that term before.

I would think being an arts and culture publication, you probably have a lot of liberals, you know.

Probably, yeah.

You know, a lot of folks. And a lot of them are very, very intelligent. And you know, I remember when I was in the high tech area it amazed me how many New Age kind of folks were involved in high tech. Extremely intelligent people. Very thoughtful, very caring people. And you know, I must tell you, and I don't hesitate in telling you, that they didn't have Jesus Christ in their life. And you know, I felt very bad for that. But I couldn't say these were evil people. They were very fine folks.

Now, but as far as the New World Order, let's look at that. First of all, the predicament -- I call it a horrible predicament -- that Canada and the United States now find themselves in -- I mean the people of those two nations in particular, because we are North Americans. But the predicament that we find ourselves in really cannot be divided into conservative or liberal or right-wing or left-wing.

I've never really considered myself right-wing. You know, a lot of people try to put you in a place. I have found, though, especially over the last couple years, that many, many friends of mine who are not even Christian, who don't like the politics of the right, now have begun to discover that there is absolutely, unequivocally, irrefutably -- I'm using all those words, okay -- a global conspiracy of the elite.

And this elite really does not respect labels themselves, Hugh. They don't respect left and right. They don't care about those things. They don't care about your parties, there in France. They care about one thing, and that is money. And of course money translates into power and control. So we have those three elements: money, power and control.

This shouldn't surprise us. I mean, throughout history those three elements have driven dictatorial type people, totalitarians, monsters, bloody killers, genocidal maniacs and others. Those three things. And so, you know, some are motivated by the power and the control, more so than money, but I have found that those three elements really blend in well when we're talking about this elite.

Now, the reason this goes across lines is, they're more than willing -- I can't tell you our discoveries that many, many on the right wing, so-called, in America, are owned by these people. And many on the left wing are owned by these people. They control, I believe, in Canada and America, both of the major political parties. And so, so many people say, "Oh, well, are you one of those militia types, or whatever?" Well, no, Hugh, I'm not a gun man. I don't even hunt. In fact, I prefer to feed a deer rather than to shoot it, you know. And a squirrel -- can't imagine anybody shooting a squirrel, things like that. No, this has nothing to do with the stereotypes that we get from the controlled media that want to paint anybody who believes in a conspiracy as some kind of a right-wing militia.

I might say, by the way, that it's really interesting in past years I was probably known as a liberal. As an Air Force officer I had many, many friends who voted Republican. And I voted -- just between you and me, in our private conversation -- I voted Democrat. And they couldn't quite understand that, because most military people are pretty conservative. They couldn't understand that. But I have always opted for freedom and for liberty. Even God gives us that, at least on Earth, right? Now, once we're dead, well, you know, I pray we made the right choices. Because the Bible says, you know, it's appointed for a man once to die, afterward the judgement -- that's in Hebrews 9:27. But on this earth, God has given us free will, given us choice, so...

In any case, I've spent a lot of your time on that. Let me just say this: there is absolutely, unequivocally, irrefutably a very clearly documentable conspiracy of the super-rich, a small clique or cabal of men -- and a few token women, of course -- whose goal is basically to control, and to gain more and more money. And they use conservative...they have built a tremendous network of front organisations, both on the left and on the right, and they use these admirably to obtain their goals.

Now, one thing I wanted to ask you as well: why do you think that they're being relatively obvious about their aims? I mean, in a lot of your newsletters you present information that -- it isn't dug up from some secret government file hidden away underneath a mountain. You look at the corporate logos of Walt Disney or Proctor and Gamble. Or, you know, you look at the response to the death of Diana. Why do you think that they're letting their motives and their aims just hang out in the open?

Well, first of all you have to understand that we have been going through many decades of conditioning. You know, these men, I believe that they have had demonic assistance from the other side.

But in any case, they actually utilize many different psychological, psychiatric studies and analyses. The intelligence services, of course, the CIA, your own equivalent in Canada, have worked very closely together, in these various programs, from MK-ULTRA, Project Monarch, and many other programs to discover how to manipulate and control human beings and their minds. And of course, there is no doubt of this, as you know. Everything from research and development of LSD to today, various electromagnetic weapons and such that have been fermented.

So-called non-lethal weapons of war -- the United States has an entire laboratory working on these instruments of war in Los Alamos, New Mexico. Been many, as you mentioned, public articles about this, and of course they all claim that these are for good reasons, right? To protect us, for security. We're really the security state, of course, is what they're after, and they have to protect us, and give us safety from the horror of the domestic terrorist.

And that alone is going to convince people to give up all of their freedoms and rights. These horrible domestic terrorist, whether it's Arabs or the militia right wingers that would threaten America and Canada. And people would willingly, I believe, give up their rights if government can just provide a police state type security for them. I think this is the deal.

Now you ask, why are these things out in the open? Hugh, I don't know why they shouldn't be because they are so -- yes, they're out in the open, but they're subtle. I mean, you go to Disney and you see three sixes in the logo. Now, I want to make clear here, I don't always -- if you've read my articles -- I don't always attribute evil intent, necessarily, to all of these. I know there's a clique, I know there's an evil group of men --

But you're saying there's also a lot of dupes as well?

Oh, goodness, yes! And there's all kinds of occult activities. There are people -- I've talked to these artists, I've talked to architects who have designed entire buildings and monuments in the form of occult symbols that are known to have been occult symbols for thousands of years. And I can take you to dictionaries of occult symbols at your library and here's a building that's shaped like that.

I call up the architect, I ask, "Why is this designed that way?" And he often says --and this is no kidding! I've had architects that say, "Well, it came to me in a vision! It came to me in a dream." Or they simply say, "I don't know why. I was just trying to imagine how that building should be constructed and it just came to me that this would be perfect." Usually I ask those individuals then, in talking with them, being chummy with them, I say, "Have you ever been involved in seances, ouija boards, spirit channelling, etc?" "Well, yes!" "Are you involved in Scientology?" I go on and name a number of various New Age occult groups and so forth, and I find, "Yes! Oh yes, how did you know that?" You know?

And so, but did these guys say, "I'm going to plant this logo and deceive people?" Not necessarily. But let me say this: there is no doubt that some -- many logos, marks, are planned, are designed, and there's actually psychological mind-control reasons for that. I believe that at a very, very high level, symbols do program our minds. And of course, keep this in mind: the English alphabet is a correlation of symbols strung together, okay? And our minds, you know, symbolically link linguistically because of those related symbols, and how we arrange them into words that stand for, or bring up imagery in our minds [garbled] specific concrete objects.